Yeah, me too. You are not anonymous to anyone who matters, why be anonymous to us?
A Liberal is someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people — their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties. That is what it means to be a Liberal according to JFK. Being a Liberal, to me, is very much the opposite of Doc/Pat/Cng's Statelessness. It is the idea that we are all in this together and cannot be truly be free and be masters at the same time. A Liberal is not a disaffected Conservative. How does that even make sense? A disaffected Conservative is one who is still conservative but thinks they have been betrayed (disaffected) by their faithless leaders. The Republican Party is so fractured by polarized versions of what to conserve, no one knows what a Republican is anymore--welcome to the Democratic paradigm.
So, what if he's not truly deterred by the ideological grandstanding? Does that allow you to add another important contribution? This isn't really much of a discussion about the issue - or, is it? Are you ad-hominuming or talking about what political color your State is? Maybe both. I feel a bit of anger in this conversation. Maybe we can cool the fire a bit and understand that there is an emotional component when talking across the aisle. I believe you are both able to discuss this with some control. Since we don't have any moderator, I feel that it's time to point out that moderation keeps us from throwing tomatoes at the enemy.
OK, that sounds reasonable to me. Knuckle, you know that I'm from the blue side. So, I know that it's hard for us to ever get to an agreement. But, I get what you're saying. Jay has been to War and has learned to shoot the guns at people, while he was in the Army. I'm sure that it was an experience that made him have some real uncharted emotions - that we haven't had. I think he gets to say his comments from having that standpoint.
I have taken LSD a number of times. I agree with his assessment of not being able to explain that experience to someone who hasn't been there.
So, what's the problem? Knuckle, you don't like him slinging mud at the supporters of the Republican ethic. But, you sling mud at the supporters of the Democratic ethic. Do you feel misunderstood? I think that's what we do out here. We explain why we're at odds with the two ethical standpoints that have split this country in half. Abortion, Religion, gun-toting, welfare, immigration, amassing a fortune vs. ethical behavior, they all show up in our discussions and fire up the reasons why this is more better than that. Would you prefer that we all got together and found a way to agree?
You wonder if I feel compelled to chagrin against people who talk about ants being at war?--first of all, even after looking up what other meanings the word "chagrin" could have as a verb, I am still left to just guess at what it means to you.
Context: You were saying you were at War with liberals on another forum. My point in pointing out your hyperbolic us of the word War, was to communicate my observation of your passion for picking fights with people you lump into a group you stigmatize using a word that used to have the meaning JFK used to defined it (see above) but has been Rushboed into code for socialist, communist, weak, pussies.
The way you frame you arguments has nothing to do with your politics, it has everything to do with your (online) personality. Why, I ask again, do you love so much to argue in such a confrontational way with "Liberals"?
I contend this actually backward form of communication--being that type cannot communicate body language or voice inflection--pushes people to say things in a more over-the-top manner because it is so two dimensional. We say things to one another in type we would not say on the phone and certainly not in person.
Actually it took me awhile to respond because I was chagrining against a whole forum of pacifistic ants--damn worker ants that had no fucking experience fighting for the Queen!
Chagrin: a feeling of vexation, marked by disappointment (which seemed to be the feeling you were throwing around)
At least give me credit for having class enough to not editorialize on you father, for I'm sure if I did iggy would be faulting me for dragging parentage into the discussion, despite you being the one to bring it up in the first place.
Post edited 01/19/2011 @ 12:08:58 PM by Knuckledragger
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A Liberal is someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people — their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties. That is what it means to be a Liberal according to JFK. Being a Liberal, to me, is very much the opposite of Doc/Pat/Cng's Statelessness. It is the idea that we are all in this together and cannot be truly be free and be masters at the same time. A Liberal is not a disaffected Conservative. How does that even make sense? A disaffected Conservative is one who is still conservative but thinks they have been betrayed (disaffected) by their faithless leaders. The Republican Party is so fractured by polarized versions of what to conserve, no one knows what a Republican is anymore--welcome to the Democratic paradigm.
This isn't really much of a discussion about the issue - or, is it? Are you ad-hominuming or talking about what political color your State is? Maybe both.
I feel a bit of anger in this conversation. Maybe we can cool the fire a bit and understand that there is an emotional component when talking across the aisle.
I believe you are both able to discuss this with some control. Since we don't have any moderator, I feel that it's time to point out that moderation keeps us
from throwing tomatoes at the enemy.
learned to shoot the guns at people, while he was in the Army. I'm sure that it was an experience that made him have some real uncharted emotions - that we haven't had. I think he gets to say his comments from having that standpoint.
I have taken LSD a number of times. I agree with his assessment of not being able to explain that experience to someone who hasn't been there.
So, what's the problem? Knuckle, you don't like him slinging mud at the supporters of the Republican ethic. But, you sling mud at the supporters of the Democratic ethic. Do you feel misunderstood?
I think that's what we do out here. We explain why we're at odds with the two ethical standpoints that have split this country in half. Abortion, Religion, gun-toting, welfare, immigration, amassing a fortune vs. ethical behavior, they all show up in our discussions and fire up the reasons why this is more better than that. Would you prefer that we all got together and found a way to agree?
Context: You were saying you were at War with liberals on another forum. My point in pointing out your hyperbolic us of the word War, was to communicate my observation of your passion for picking fights with people you lump into a group you stigmatize using a word that used to have the meaning JFK used to defined it (see above) but has been Rushboed into code for socialist, communist, weak, pussies.
The way you frame you arguments has nothing to do with your politics, it has everything to do with your (online) personality. Why, I ask again, do you love so much to argue in such a confrontational way with "Liberals"?
I contend this actually backward form of communication--being that type cannot communicate body language or voice inflection--pushes people to say things in a more over-the-top manner because it is so two dimensional. We say things to one another in type we would not say on the phone and certainly not in person.
Actually it took me awhile to respond because I was chagrining against a whole forum of pacifistic ants--damn worker ants that had no fucking experience fighting for the Queen!
At least give me credit for having class enough to not editorialize on you father, for I'm sure if I did iggy would be faulting me for dragging parentage into the discussion, despite you being the one to bring it up in the first place.